I would like to start off highlighting a few comments members of the MSA made towards me:
personally
you bothered me
Yes, and this halaqah is talking about a part of the Islamic creed
and I will pray the mathloom prayer
to Allah
aight bruh I’m out let this guy argue with the wall
tonight
bro mad at himself
and inshallah Allah helps me deal with these insults
which is spirituality I understand
but as I said, spirituality means looking for a deeper meaning which is not possible when it comes to Islam
Islam is the deeper meaning
there is no deeper meaning of a deeper meaning
there’s just Islam and what’s in it
1:2 for coffee to milk?
1:2 is golden for coffee input to output
ohhh bruh that’s what u mean?
how much espresso shot vs milk?
bro be quiet
bro 1 espresso shot
no
and the rest of the mug milk
just guess it bro
just stop man
why
I’m asking for technical details
ight bro
anyway, 1:2 for coffee to milk would be a very bitter cup lol
like imagine 30g coffee to 60g milk
I agree
💀
idk lemme ask again. she said 1:2 hold on
u about to get blocked lil bro
imagine blocking another Muslim
I do it all the time
I would beg the other Muslim to forgive me if I was you
bro I asked u to leave me alone regarding coffee
I ask u to respect my wishes
leave me alone in a public groupchat
for the whole university
alright bro
I gotchu
guys how long before this guy gets banned
for what?
You can help people look for this meaning in their daily lives.
Someone may go to school because his parents want him to.
You can help them see that going to school can be rewarded in the sight of his Lord.
bro exactly u said it
if he goes to school because his parents want him to that’s wrong
if he goes to school because he wants to obey them for the sake of Allah that’s correct
if he goes to school because he wants to be a doctor to help the creations of Allah that’s correct
if he goes to school because he wants to be a doctor for money that’s wrong
1:2 is for the coffee itself I’m wondering recipes for lattes
do it for Allah and you will be happy
otherwise your life has no meaning
cause Allah is the meaning
everything else is man-made
I don’t understand what you mean brother, what’s your goal?
just attend it and you’ll see what he’ll talk about
I’m saying the halaqah is haram
don’t go
you’re actually confusing me
it’s haram
it is making stuff up
it’s not true
spirituality is haram in Islam
that’s a known thing
I will ask you to stop saying things like this
bro do your research before acting like this
I explained my points very clearly
if you don’t agree you go check
but don’t just say I’m wrong because u want me to be wrong
imma be honest… most times we just get the pre-grinded Maxwell coffee thing lol… sometimes Nescafe 💀
the main issue I’m dealing with rn is my lever press produces way too little espresso
but I also don’t know if I use too little milk
Thank you for your explanation, but you should not speak with no knowledge
I’m maybe gonna make a general chat post tbh
sisters are gonna know more
I tried asking in a coffee disc but they ignoring me 🥀
Now the debate:
Ahmad’s Response Breakdown:
Ahmad says: “Yes and this halaqah is talking about a part of the Islamic creed. You can help people look for this meaning in their daily lives. Someone may go to school because his parents wants him to. You can help them see that going to school can be rewarded in the sight of his Lord.”
Response:
That’s exactly my point — Islam already provides the meaning. You don’t need to “look for” something that’s already clearly given in revelation. If someone is going to school just because their parents want them to, then they’re not doing it for Allah. They’re just following people. The correct intention would be going to school to obey the parents for the sake of Allah, which is already part of Islam. That’s not “spirituality,” that’s just Islam. You’re calling it spirituality when it’s just submission. The danger here is that you’re taking what’s already part of the deen and dressing it up as a “deeper” concept. That’s misleading. You’re labeling something man-made as if it’s from the religion.
Ahmad also says: “I don’t understand what you mean brother, what’s your goal? Solve the whole halaqah now? Just attend it and you’ll see what he’ll talk about.”
Response:
If something is ḥarām, I don’t need to wait and “see what he’ll talk about.” I don’t attend something that’s built on a false foundation just to hear the rest of the lie. If a talk is based on a false concept — like “spirituality in Islam” — then the whole thing is void. The Prophet (ﷺ) said: “Whoever introduces into this affair of ours that which is not from it, it is rejected.” It’s not about me solving the halaqah — it’s about recognizing that it shouldn’t exist in the first place.
Ahmad finally says: “I will ask you to stop saying things like this. Thank you for your explanation, but you should not speak with no knowledge.”
Response:
I didn’t speak from my own desires. I spoke based on Qur’an, Sunnah, and the correct understanding of this deen — not personal feelings like the concept of “spirituality.” If anything, the burden is on you to prove that this idea of spirituality exists in the deen without importing it from Sufism, New Age philosophy, or modern self-help ideology. Don’t tell me to stop speaking the truth just because it makes you uncomfortable or goes against a popular trend. If you think I’m wrong, prove it from the deen — not from feeling or opinion. Otherwise, you’re the one speaking without knowledge.
With 0 respect, they love to wave the Palestinian flag and post it on their Instagram, but has one of them actually done anything to help? Literally anything, like donate 3 dollars? What the fuck is Carleton gonna do about Palestine anyways? They like to convince themselves that what they’re doing matters, but they don’t give a fuck about Palestine. They just want to make themselves feel like heroes or part of some movement. They’re literally just going through a rebellious phase and latched onto something. If it wasn’t Palestine, it would be climate change or Russia and Ukraine. All of these issues are interchangeable because all they do is talk about it. Not one of these student groups does meaningful direct action. Like why the fuck are you walking around Carleton University protesting? Go to Parliament. Go inside the Parliament. Go to Mark Carney’s office. But they’re just a bunch of pussies who will never act and just want to circlejerk each other. Bro, I met at least two fake Palestinians last year. I asked them where they’re from and they just said Gaza. They couldn’t name the capital — not Jerusalem or Ramallah. This guy is such a pussy: “leave me alone in a public groupchat, for the whole university, alright bro, I gotchu.”
Which is spirituality, I understand, but as I said: spirituality means looking for a deeper meaning, which is not possible when it comes to Islam. Islam is the deeper meaning. There is no deeper meaning of a deeper meaning. There’s just Islam and what’s in it. Absolutely. True. Dude, these guys use Gaza to get followers. They’re obviously fuckwads. With 0 respect, they love to wave the Palestinian flag and post it on their Instagram. Has one of them actually done anything to help? Literally anything, like donate 3 dollars? What the fuck is Carleton gonna do about Palestine anyways? They like to convince themselves that what they’re doing matters. They don’t give a fuck about Palestine. They just want to make themselves feel like heroes, or part of some movement. They’re literally just going through a rebellious phase and latched onto something. If it wasn’t Palestine, it would be climate change or Russia and Ukraine. And when I joined the Discord, they had it split by gender — boys and girls — which is illegal and really bothered me as a non-binary Muslim student. You did a very good write-up. They probably banned me with the justification that I said I’m not Muslim. I’m going to get them to admit that, because that’s further discrimination. It may sound stupid because it’s MSA, obviously for Muslims, but if I’m interested in the Qur’an, they cannot segregate based on religion. That isn’t only against university policy — that’s illegal in Canada. Generally, private clubs are not allowed to segregate based on race or religion because of federal and state anti-discrimination laws, though there are exceptions and complex legal distinctions. The key is the distinction between a truly private club and a business that is open to the public, which falls under public accommodation laws and cannot discriminate. However, the level of privacy, the club’s purpose, and whether it receives tax benefits can impact the legality of membership policies, especially if a club is considered a public accommodation. This is a public club for students at a university, and it does receive a tax benefit. They’re fucked, bro.